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Scott Sappington
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USA
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Posted - 07/30/2017 :  10:00:11 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The allen style swing arm bolt on the early 74 250HS. Is the allen a 12MM? Can someone confirm the proper size needed?
Thanks, Scotty

454MRW
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USA
2180 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2017 :  11:23:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, that is correct. I bought a couple of 3/8" impact 12mm Allen bits to use a breaker bar on to slowly work stubborn ones back and forth after soaking with penetrating oils to aid removal. Most standard ones break otherwise. Mike

Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1978-1979 MX-6 175 & 250 KTM's
1976-78 125-400 RM's & 79 PE250 Suzuki & 2012 DR650
2007 CR125R Honda
1977 MC250 Maico
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Paul Danik
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Posted - 07/30/2017 :  11:30:41 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If I might add, when re-installing the swing-arm bolt I have always used an anti seize product on the threads to prevent future issues.

Paul
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Scott Sappington
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USA
63 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2017 :  12:16:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks gentleman, of course it's size I don't have. No matter how many boxes of tools you have....
Have to make a trip across town to purchase one, wanted be be positive on the size. Thanks again.
Scotty
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454MRW
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USA
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Posted - 07/30/2017 :  12:56:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Anti seize on the area that contacts the sleeve is helpful too, because it is usually that part that rusts solid not allowing the bolt to come out easily. If that happens the bolt will turn and start to unscrew but it will spread the frame as it does it. When that happens it requires a lot of heat and repeated application of penetrating oil. Access to a hydraulic press is very helpful if you have one big enough, but often requires cutting the bolt between the swing arm and inside of the frame with a Sawzall, and removing the swingarm then pressing the bolt out of the swing arm. When that happens, I use a small Jack placed between the frame rails close to the swing arm making it easier to cut the bolt between the frame and the swing arm without damaging either one with the blade. Mike

Michael R. Winter
I enjoy rebuilding and appreciating Pentons!
1974 250 HS Pentons-1978-1979 MX-6 175 & 250 KTM's
1976-78 125-400 RM's & 79 PE250 Suzuki & 2012 DR650
2007 CR125R Honda
1977 MC250 Maico

Edited by - 454MRW on 07/30/2017 2:08:02 PM
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Scott Sappington
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USA
63 Posts

Posted - 08/10/2017 :  10:38:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Decided to install new swing arm bearings. Is the double roller HK 20 30 imperative as a replacement?
Or can you use a 20 30 style in a single needle roller style bearing?
Thanks, Scotty
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Scott Sappington
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USA
63 Posts

Posted - 08/12/2017 :  2:15:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I want to send out a "Thank You" to Garry Ellis, Mike Winter & Chi Jerry for putting up with my texts & calls. I have found all POG members will gladly provide vital information & their expertise. The swing arm is rebuilt with new bearings, o rings, & fluid. Installed to spec I do believe.
Thanks again, Scotty "Rat"
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skiracer
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USA
887 Posts

Posted - 08/12/2017 :  3:10:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Which style did you use?

quote:
Originally posted by Scott Sappington

Decided to install new swing arm bearings. Is the double roller HK 20 30 imperative as a replacement?
Or can you use a 20 30 style in a single needle roller style bearing?
Thanks, Scotty



1976 MC 5 Original Owner
1976 Penton 175 XC
1985 20' Hi Point trailer
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Scott Sappington
Advanced Member

USA
63 Posts

Posted - 08/12/2017 :  4:39:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ski, Installed TLA 20 30 Z BEARINGS.
I believe with the 14 or so races I do each year, they will hold up fine. If not, I'll hunt down the double roller style next time. Time will tell, Mike thought that a Penton parts supplier sent him the single roller style last time he ordered.
I'm not doing the ISDT, at least not this year! RAT
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skiracer
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USA
887 Posts

Posted - 08/13/2017 :  3:12:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the info.
quote:
Originally posted by Scott Sappington

Ski, Installed TLA 20 30 Z BEARINGS.
I believe with the 14 or so races I do each year, they will hold up fine. If not, I'll hunt down the double roller style next time. Time will tell, Mike thought that a Penton parts supplier sent him the single roller style last time he ordered.
I'm not doing the ISDT, at least not this year! RAT



1976 MC 5 Original Owner
1976 Penton 175 XC
1985 20' Hi Point trailer
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Brad Smith
New Member

Australia
2 Posts

Posted - 09/02/2017 :  03:58:29 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi guys, I too am rebuilding my swingarm. Great info on the bearings.
What have people used to get the old ones out? I have given mine a crack with a drift but they have been in for a while and there is not a lot of surface area. Also the manual mentions filling the pivot with oil, does this work well or is grease the way to go?
Cheers
Brad
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454MRW
Advanced Member

USA
2180 Posts

Posted - 09/02/2017 :  08:37:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have tried chisels, and punches, but the quickest method I have found is careful application of a Dremel tool or die grinder and cutting a Groove in one side of the shell once the rollers are pried out, and once almost cut through, rolling the shell inward with a punch or chisel which lets it collapse and fall out. Mike

Edited by - 454MRW on 09/02/2017 08:39:31 AM
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Brad Smith
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Australia
2 Posts

Posted - 09/05/2017 :  06:59:31 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cheers Mike.
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